Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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cuce_amber hat geschrieben:If you lack vocabulary, I recommend watching any (not too trivial) movie with English subtitles.
Pronunciation may be improved later on, when you actually know how to write the words (for example on leo.org, you can find spoken samples).
This will help you to develop a feeling for pronunciation and eventually you should be able to correctly pronounce any new word you encounter.
The are much more efficient ways to increase your vocabulary than watching movies and reading the English subtitles (e.g. reading English books). :read:
Watching English movies without subtitles usually increases your listening skills because after some time you get used to the speed of the native speakers.
The correct pronunciation and use of words, you are already kind of familiar with, is something that you might be able to pick up easily too.
After much more time you might even develop a feeling for the correct use of the English language and thereby support your active English skills.

Understanding the meaning of new words from the context they are used in requires a certain amount of vocabulary from the respective area.
This fact and the different dialects will give you the biggest problems. I think, you'll need to remember that watching movies is a rather passive task.
Therefore all these things will take quite some time. So you need to be very patient until you feel any significant change in your English skills.

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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cuce_amber hat geschrieben:This will help you to develop a feeling for pronunciation and eventually you should be able to correctly pronounce any new word you encounter.
Das ist nun OT, doch ich habe schon öfters ein Problem damit gehabt und jetzt habe ich einen Aufhänger gefunden. Gibt es eine Regel oder ist das "Umgangssprache", dass das adverb vor dem Verb kommt? Denn "be able to pronounce any new word you encounter correctly" wäre ja nicht falsch.

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friendly2004 hat geschrieben:
cuce_amber hat geschrieben:This will help you to develop a feeling for pronunciation and eventually you should be able to correctly pronounce any new word you encounter.
Das ist nun OT, doch ich habe schon öfters ein Problem damit gehabt und jetzt habe ich einen Aufhänger gefunden. Gibt es eine Regel oder ist das "Umgangssprache", dass das Adverb vor dem Verb kommt? Denn "be able to pronounce any new word you encounter correctly" wäre ja nicht falsch.

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Hi friendly2004 :) ,
nein falsch ist es ganz und gar nicht. Und hier ist mal wieder ein Anlass für eine schöne Regel:
:watch: Wenn ein Adverb zur näheren Bestimmung eines Verbs oder Prädikats dient, wird es damit zu einem selbständigen Satzglied, einer adverbialen Bestimmung. Diese ist in ihrer Bedeutung eindeutig gekennzeichnet und ist deshalb im allgemeinen nicht an eine feste Satzgliedordnung gebunden. Ihre Stellung im Satz hängt damit im wesentlichen von der Satzbetonung ab, oder von der mehr oder weniger starken Beziehung zu dem einen oder anderen Satzglied.

Grundsätzlich sind 4 Positionen möglich:
1. zwischen Subjekt und Vollverb,
2. am Satzende,
3. am Satzbeginn und
4. vor dem direkten Objekt.

In Deinem Beispielsatz weist die Reihenfolge "...correctly pronounce..." auf die enge Verbindung und damit die Betonung dessen hin, dass es darum geht, etwas "korrekt!!!! auszusprechen".

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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Danke Duckduck, das muss ich noch ein paar mal lesen. Ich blicke das nicht ;)
Ein Adverb ist doch immer zur näheren Bestimmung da, finde ich. Denn es bestimmt immer, wie es getan wird.

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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friendly2004 hat geschrieben:Danke Duckduck, das muss ich noch ein paar mal lesen. Ich blicke das nicht ;)
Ein Adverb ist doch immer zur näheren Bestimmung da, finde ich. Denn es bestimmt immer, wie es getan wird.

Grüßle
Jaaaaaa, das ist ganz richtig! ABER ein Adverb kann auch andere Wörter näher bestimmen, nicht immer nur Verben, nämlich:

:watch: Adjektive (dann in der Funktion eines Attributs)
"The weather was very bad."

:watch: andere Adverbien
"The letter was very neatly written." und

:watch: Zahlwörter
"There were about 100.000 fans at the concert."

Die Regeln im letzten post aber beziehen sich auf die Stellung von adverbialen Bestimmungen in einem Satz.

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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Delfino hat geschrieben: The are much more efficient ways to increase your vocabulary than watching movies and reading the English subtitles (e.g. reading English books). :read:
I totally agree with that (I'm quite a bookworm). However, I have to say, that the same thing crossed my mind as well but I thought that this was not what was wanted. He asked for movie recommendations after all. And from my personal experience I can assure you that watching movies with subtitles is quite effective as well. That way I got quite ahead of my other classmates as regards versatiliy in use of English language when I was in Mittelstufe.
The main merit is that it is far more comfortable. Especially if your vocabulary is still limited, you won't be able to enjoy a decent book as you'll constantly have to look up new words.
And by the way: the best way to improve overall pronunciation capabilities is reading out texts loudly (provided you know how the words are to be pronounced).

(OT: eine Frage zum Zitierten: "[...]and reading the English subtitles[...]". Warum braucht man da das "the"? Ich komme mit diesem Teil ehrlich gesagt nicht wirklich zu recht. Ich kann nur Gefuehlsmaessig sagen, wann man es braucht und wann nicht und dieses Gefuehl ist nicht umbedingt sicher.)

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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cuce_amber hat geschrieben:
Delfino hat geschrieben: The are much more efficient ways to increase your vocabulary than watching movies and reading the English subtitles (e.g. reading English books). :read:
I totally agree with that statement. I'm quite a bookworm myself.
However, I have to say that the same thing crossed my mind as well but I thought that this was not what he wanted.
He asked for movie recommendations after all.
And from my personal experience I can assure you that watching movies with subtitles is quite effective as well.
This way I got quite ahead of my other classmates in regard to the versatility of English I used when I was in Mittelstufe.
I didn't say that watching movies with English subtitles has no effect. Everything helps! The effects depends on you as well. I mean how you use the subtitles.
Some people can ignore them easily and refer to them only when absolutely needed. Others might be on a different level and need any clue they can get.
cuce_amber hat geschrieben:The main merit is that it is far more comfortable. Especially if your vocabulary is still limited,
you won't be able to enjoy a decent book as you'll constantly have to look up new words.
I believe, it's much more easy to look up the unknown words you find in a book
than stopping the movie to look up the unknown words from the subtitles, right?

And I think, I mentioned in my previous post that you need a certain amount of
basic vocabulary to understand the conversations in English movies.

cuce_amber hat geschrieben:And by the way: the best way to improve overall pronunciation capabilities is reading (out) texts aloud
(provided you know how the words have to be pronounced).
I agree.

cuce_amber hat geschrieben:(OT: eine Frage zum Zitierten: "[...]and reading the English subtitles[...]". Warum braucht man da das "the"?
Ich komme mit diesem Teil ehrlich gesagt nicht wirklich zu recht. Ich kann nur Gefühlsmäßig sagen, wann man es braucht
und wann nicht und dieses Gefühl ist nicht umbedingt sicher.)
I usually try to verify the spelling and use of less familiar words before I submit a post in this forum.
Although I have to admit I often use my gut feeling too (grammar).

You can use this reference material and the available exercises to improve your skills:

Englische Grammatik
http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/inhalt_grammar.htm

Der bestimmte Artikel - the - im Englischen
http://www.englisch-hilfen.de/grammar/artikel.htm

Die Übersicht dort zeigt, wann der Artikel the verwendet wird und wann nicht.
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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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I believe, it's much more easy to look up the unknown words you find in a book
than stopping the movie to look up the unknown words from the subtitles, right?

And I think, I mentioned in my previous post that you need a certain amount of
basic vocabulary to understand the conversations in English movies.
You got me wrong. I meant watching movies with German audio and English subtitles. You won't have to stop the movie. You'll understand what's being said and the subtitles will show you how to express the same in English. This is in my opinion a crucial point as lots of people tend to translate from German into English too literally.

(eine Frage zum Korrigierten: Warum "in regards"? Ich dachte, die waeren von der Bedeutung her praktisch gleich. Und danke fuer die Hinweise.)

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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Your idea with the German audio and the English subtitles depends on the films. There are so many films where things are either completely lost in translation or they translated something completely different. For example, look at films like "Men in tights" by Mel Brookes. Half of the things they say in the German version are not even in the English version.
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Keswick hat geschrieben:There are so many films where things are either completely lost in translation or they translated something completely different.
That's an overstatement. I know, there are some films that are translated quite poorly but if you take some average modern film, the translation should be acceptable. They are getting paid for that after all. Of course you should not chose films that starkly depend on the uniqueness of the English language like films that contain lots of puns. Contents wise the films also should not be too complex.

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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cuce_amber hat geschrieben:
Keswick hat geschrieben:There are so many films where things are either completely lost in translation or they translated something completely different.
That's an overstatement. I know, there are some films that are translated quite poorly but if you take some average modern film, the translation should be acceptable. They are getting paid for that after all. Of course you should not choose films that starkly depend on the uniqueness of the English language like films that contain lots of puns. Contents wise the films also should not be too complex.
a) I would not use the word "poorly" here .. I know it means "schlecht" according to most dictionaries, however these days "poorly" is mainly used when it comes to describing your health (I feel poorly today).

b) I do not think that's an overstatement at all. It was merely meant to warn people because what you wrote
You'll understand what's being said and the subtitles will show you how to express the same in English.
. And that's probably the biggest mistake you can make. I am not saying (and have never said it) that all films and their subtitles are bad, but just listening, reading and believing is not the best idea. Don't get me wrong cuce_amber, we're all humans and we all make mistakes but my husband's currently learning German and he does rely on German subtitles, too. Fair enough but when I see things like in House MD (Dr House in Germany) I cannot help but frown. One of the guys said "Don't tangle the lines!" - The German subtitle was "Verdreh nicht die Saetze!" - the guy was referring to the lines.. den angeschlossenen Schlaeuchen! So it should've been "Knick die Schlaeuche nicht." And when it comes to more popular films .. for example Lord of the Rings.. the first one has a range of subtitle mistakes on offer - pick and choose.

So, no problem if you want to use it brush up your English, if you want to use films to get into the language but do not learn English merely from listening to German and reading the English subtitles, or the other way around. You might end up in a very embarrassing situation :lol: .

No hard feelings, alright cuce_amber, just my opinion on this matter.
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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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re:a) Oh, I didn't know that. Can't you for example say: "I did poorly in the exam"?

re: b)
but just listening, reading and believing is not the best idea
I don't think so either but I see your point. I guess I just happend to have been lucky with the films I picked. I should have put the whole thing diffrently: If you are to watch a film (in German) for recreation, you could gain something by turning on the subtitles but it won't serve as a replacement for anything.
[...] but do not learn English merely from listening to German and reading the English subtitles.
I never suggested anybody to do that.
No hard feelings, alright cuce_amber, just my opinion on this matter.
Oh please, I'd never take any constructive critique as a personal insult ;)

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Re: Which movie is fine for increasing my english skill?

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cuce_amber hat geschrieben:re:a) Oh, I didn't know that. Can't you for example say: "I did poorly in the exam"?
No I would not say that either to be honest. I would use "bad" in the right form.
cuce_amber hat geschrieben:I never suggested anybody to do that.
I know :), I did not mean to imply that ;) .

I think like you said, you can be lucky with picking the right films. So which films for example did you pick? Maybe your suggestions help to solve the question of this thread.
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Keswick hat geschrieben:I think like you said, you can be lucky with picking the right films. So which films for example did you pick? Maybe your suggestions help to solve the question of this thread.
Sorry, I'm afraid it won't. :uppy:
I'm a Japanese-German bilingual speaker (and by nationality Japanese). I mainly used Japanese films for that purpose (as I lack Japanese input, living in Germany). Of course I also watched some films in German with subtitles but I can't really remember as they were quite few. I think I saw an adaption of Macbeth, once with German subtitles and once with English ones...

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Oh Japanese! Now that's brilliant! :) I would add Japanse as your second mother tongue in your profile!

There are a couple of good Shakespeare adaptions out, but the Shakespearean English is difficult to understand, especially for beginners. Maybe I am old-fashioned but I would still prefer books to learn my English from.. although to be fairly honest I learned some of the pronunciation from films, British ones though. My favourites are "The Full Monty", "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" and "Love Actually".
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