Question about something that is being "given" in a sentence.

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Question about something that is being "given" in a sentence.

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Could both of my English translations of what Eric wants to give be correct (i.e., is the German ambiguous)?

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Eric will nicht Führer sein, sondern uns das geben, daß jeder sich selbst führen kann.
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Translation 1:
Eric does not want to be leader, but rather to give each one the ability to lead himself.

Translation 2:
Eric does not want to be leader, but rather to give us what is needed [some sort of means, tools, or ideas unspecified in the sentence], so that each one can lead himself.

In #2 Eric is not directly giving people the ability to lead themselves. He is giving them some sort of means or tools they can use to lead themselves. I would guess #2 is correct.
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Thank you for any assistance.




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Re: Question about something that is being "given" in a sentence.

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It's #2. It's indicated by "uns". You'd have to use "jedem" to express "each one".
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Re: Question about something that is being "given" in a sentence.

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Thank you, tiorthan.

Because of my faulty translations, I think you might have answered a partly different question than the one I asked. If so, please excuse my lack of clarity.  I'll rephrase my question.

Eric will nicht Führer sein, sondern uns das geben, daß jeder sich selbst führen kann.
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Would you agree that in "das geben," "das" cannot be a pronoun representing the whole dependent clause: "daß jeder sich selbst führen kann." ?

Instead, the "das" in "das geben" is an unspecified something given, "so that jeder sich selbst führen kann."

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Re: Question about something that is being "given" in a sentence.

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Well, German doesn't really distinguish these things. You can inline the clause:
Eric will nicht Führer sein, sondern uns dass-jeder-sich-selbst-führen-kann geben.
It's weird and nobody would actually use this (because structures like that are too difficult to parse) but it doesn't change the meaning.
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Re: Question about something that is being "given" in a sentence.

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Okay, thank you very much tiorthan.

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